How the hell do I find my fold button?

deezamn

Not sure what it is, but I can't fold no matter how hard I try.

I'm at like a solid 28-30% WTSD over 30K hands now at Stars, and probably going back further on Eurolinx. And pretty much every session I'm a steady ~30%, even when I make a conscious effort to fold more.

Um...I guess the good news is my W$@SD is 51%...but yeah...this can't be optimal because I've been basically barely winning for awhile now and it's getting stressful.

Any advice?

Reef · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:14 am Post subject:

doh, missed this post for some reason.

28-30 WTSD at 6 max is HIIIIIIGH. Like, I consider myself more on the stationy side regular and I still never get that high evar.

I'm really not sure how your W$@SD is that high given your WTSD - if I had to guess it would be running good. But given results that is not the case.

What is happening is that you're prob winning a ton of small / med pots and getting served in the big ones :/ I'd tighten up slightly and play more straight forward in bigger pots until you get your confidence back.

deezamn · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

30.7% WTSD for July over 32,588K hands. 51.8% W$@SD. And ran about 3 BIs below expected. Unfortunately the run bad was at NL100 and the barely run good was at NL50.

I READ SOULZ BUT I CAN'T WIN POTZ.

Reef · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject:

I'd say you're winning more potz then like 90% of players

hint: if your gut tells you to fold, THEN JUST FOLD IMO

deezamn · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:20 am Post subject:

Weeeee...another 12K hands of 31% WTSD. I'm at a loss. (Although I'm winning at a solid rate over this stretch.)

deezamn · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:30 am Post subject:

On the brightside, I was going to get vanity plates, since they only cost like $15 in Maine. This one is available.

Reef · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:20 am Post subject:

yes!

(although you'll prob have to explain it 50x Sad

)

deezamn · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:54 pm Post subject:

See, it's kinda getting silly.

Reef · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:04 am Post subject:

hmm maybe you're not value betting or raising hands enough so too many of your strong hands are going to showdown instead of giving them the chance to fold it (and thus having you go to SD less)

as always, don't just do X action bc 'Reef said to do it' Smile

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or you're running hawt. small sample.

deezamn · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:19 am Post subject:

IDK, I've always been sorta prone to SD. I was at 26-27% for the majority of my NL career, until 3 months ago/80K hands ago where I started to break the 30% mark.

JNuey · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:51 pm Post subject:

From your hand posts I agree with Reef, I think you tend to get a bit on the FPS'y side and not get enough value from your hands, therefore going to showdown alot(or too much). I think you can play the sort of non standard way like that, but you need to work on getting value in other places to make it profitable.

JNuey · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject:

BTW, past month and a half or so I have had a VERY hard time finding my fold button. I honestly think in the past two weeks I have gotten a lot better at folding in the medium sized pots.

This kinda goes in relation with the winner's tilt thread, but I pretty much just asked myself "Is it worth calling in these spots where they rep a fairly narrow range, there's a non agro dynamic, and the EV of the situation is SLIGHTLY +EV AT BEST. Though, most likely breakeven or -EV.

Anyway, hope that helps some.

deezamn · Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:25 am Post subject:

It's funny cuz in the past week I've played 22K hands, had a pretty decent win rate (~3BB/pt while -6 BIs of equity), and a WTSD of 32.7%.

I f*cking give up. Maybe I need to petition Stars support to make my Fold button twice as large as call/raise. Rolling Eyes

deezamn · Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject:

I'm at wits end. I nitted it up yesterday and played 17.5/14 (I rarely ever have a session where I'm under 21.5/16.5). I still WTSD 34% of the time, even higher than when I'm a little laggier (I guess that's a function of a stronger PFR range.) W$@SD was like 53 or 54%...but I barely won 1.5 BIs over nearly 7K hands.

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Reef · Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject:

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RikaKazak · Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject:

Reef · Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 4:35 am Post subject:

derail: All stats are on PTR now if you ever get curious. sigh

RikaKazak · Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject:

deezamn · Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject:

None of these responses help me find the elusive Fold button.

I can understand "not looking at stats", but clearly a WTSD over 28% is a huuuuuge leak. And likely 26%+ WTSD is also not ideal.

Reef · Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 12:50 am Post subject:

to get your WTSD that high you're doing one of the following:

calling rivers more than is normal (too call happy?)
3 barreling more than normal (too agro?)
giving more free showdowns than normal (missing river value bets?)
checking more flops/turns than normal (too passive?)

Maybe it's something else altogether