QQ preflop

[omgwen3rds]

Villain is 23/10/4 over 64 hands


Please comment

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($131.55)
SB ($89.85)
BB ($64.50)
UTG ($62.05)
MP ($145.05)
Hero (CO) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q:, Q:
UTG bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.50, 3 folds, UTG raises to $19, Hero raises to $50 (All-In), UTG calls $31

Flop: ($100.75) 4:, 2:, 10:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($100.75) 3: (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($100.75) 5: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $100.75 | Rake: $3

[Reef]

pretty standard unless UTG is uber nit (in which case I flat since I'm not happy facing a 4bet and maaaybe only worse hand that calls 3bet is JJ)

[deezamn]

Yeah this is 100% standard. No way ever flatting the 4b, and if I'm flatting QQ there to the original raise, it's because I expect someone behind to squeeze/3b.

I mean, even 14/12 nits are still taking this exact same line with AKo. Almost never getting away from QQ preflop at NL50.

[zz]

Something bothers me about that 4bet and I assume this person is pretty nitty UTG. With that being said I prolly do the exact same but I always seem to run into this PSB 4bet and it's like a level w/ AA.

[Adam]

I'm not feeling bad about flatting this preflop; we're gonna have a great postflop hand, with position unless BTN comes along, I'm happy to let it go postflop if I think I'm behind, and a squeeze from behind will give us a lot of info when UTG makes his decision.

And, UTG does seem like a loose nit. I expect I'm better than him postflop, add in we've got position and a great hand.

Or should I be feeling bad?

Don't suppose we can get some stats on this guys ATS??

[omgwen3rds]

"Don't suppose we can get some stats on this guys ATS??"

Over 66 hands is 14%

[acem]

[Adam]

[Reef]

7% looks like this:



But the main thing I am thinking about is "what hands is this nit going to continue with - whether it's calling the 3bet or 4betting".

And the answer to that is pretty friggen few. He prob 4bets AK, QQ+ (we have QQ blockers). Maybe just calls JJ, maybe AA/KK once in awhile, maaaaaybe AQ but prob not (again QQ blockers).

thoughts?

[Adam]

you reckon he might call with AJo/AJs, seeing as fish love to play aces, and those aces have decent kickers (altho not so great in this HH situation)??

going by his stats, i'm gonna think of him as loose passive nit haha ok let me clarify, 'loose passive' cause his VPIP is so much higher than his PFR, and nit cause both numbers are still kinda low.

in general bad tho.

hmm.

could you make a case that he might also call with his other PPs to set mine? in which case we win a 3bet call, but then only a cbet call once on a low board, and a 2barrel if he's really dumb, and again only on the right board.

man now i think about it, maybe i dont mind a 3bet, cause he will continue with a lot of hands we're we are 70%+ favorites.

3bet folding is considering spew, yeah?

against QQ+/AK, we'd be 40%, and have to put in 90bbs to win a share of 200bb pot, minus rake makes it 190bbs, we'd need 90-to-190 equity, um whats that.

47% equity, yeah? since against QQ+/AK we have 40%, hmm can we fold to a 4bet/push??

guess this depends A LOT on how much of his range we think is going to flat our 3bet...

[Reef]

If a player is calling low pocket pairs to set mine, AJ/KQ OOP to 3bets ... then we should valuetown 3bet him with like TT+, AQ+

[Adam]

Reef what about 3bet/folding, given this exact players stats? Or is 3bet/folding QQ preflop, against a stat based on 60 hands still bad?

[Reef]

I puke at the thought of 3bet/folding QQ pre

[Adam]

hehe, well I puke at the thought of 3betting QQ vs this NIT, and getting 4bet over.

I'm pretty happy calling preflop.

[acem]

[Adam]